Like, would they figure it out faster this time? And she says this time they relaxed almost immediately. They're called feeder roots. But maybe it makes her sort of more open-minded than -- than someone who's just looking at a notebook. Into which she put these sensitive plants. And what a tree needs are minerals. I was like, "Oh, my God! Instead of eating the fungus, it turns out the fungus ate them. Bye everybody. It was summertime. It was like, "Oh, I might disturb my plants!" She actually trained this story in a rather elaborate experimental setup to move away from the light and toward a light breeze against all of its instincts. This story JAD: You'll get your sound at some point. Pulled out a is that a root of some sort? ROBERT: You don't know what your dog was? Do you really need a brain to sense the world around you? The plants have to keep pulling their leaves up and they just get tired. These guys are actually doing it." They'd remember straight away. This is like metaphor is letting in the light as opposed to shutting down the blinds. ROBERT: So these trees were basically covered with bags that were then filled with radioactive gas. MONICA GAGLIANO: So, you know, I'm in the dark. I don't know where you were that day. I mean, I -- it's a kind of Romanticism, I think. SUZANNE SIMARD: Where we've all been, you know, doing our daily business. They shade each other out. They're all out in the forest. I know, I know. Because after dropping them 60 times, she then shook them left to right and they instantly folded up again. ROBERT: No. Picasso! So there is some water outside of the pipe. ROBERT: And for the meat substitute, she gave each plant little bit of food. I was like, "Oh, my God! I don't know if that was the case for your plants. ROBERT: And she goes on to argue that had we been a little bit more steady and a little bit more consistent, the plants would have learned and would have remembered the lesson. So maybe the root hairs, which are always found right at the growing tips of plant roots, maybe plant roots are like little ears. To remember? That's okay. ALVIN UBELL: And the tree happens to be a weeping willow. So -- so carbon will move from that dying tree. If a nosy deer happens to bump into it, the mimosa plant Curls all its leaves up against its stem. Pretty much like the concept of Pavlov with his dog applied. JAD: Would you say that the plant is seeing the sun? RICHARD ATTENBOROUGH: It's the equivalent of a human being jumping over the Eiffel Tower. Jad and Robert, theyare split on this one. And therefore she might, in the end, see something that no one else would see. They still remembered. ROBERT: say they're very curious, but want to see these experiments repeated. And it's more expensive. ROBERT: But she's got a little red headlamp on. Jigs emerged. That's a parade I'll show up for. I'll put it down in my fungi. Like what she saw in the outhouse? There's not a leak in the glass. JAD: And is it as dramatic in the opposite direction? There's not a leak in the glass. It's almost as if the forest is acting as an organism itself. Why waste hot water? We dropped. Never mind.". A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of someone halfway across the world. And she says this time they relaxed almost immediately. I know. JENNIFER FRAZER: These little soil particles. 2016. Because if I let you go it's gonna be another 20 minutes until I get to talk. So the roots can go either left or to the right. Smarty Plants Radiolab | Last.fm Read about Smarty Plants by Radiolab and see the artwork, lyrics and similar artists. Or maybe it's the fungus under the ground is kind of like a broker and decides who gets what. Hobbled, really. They definitely don't have a brain. Tagged #science #technology #philosophy #education #radiolab. It would be all random. Which by the way, is definitely not a plant. What a fungus does is it -- it hunts, it mines, it fishes, and it strangles. And I've been in the construction industry ever since I'm about 16 years old. Artificial Plants Aquarium Substrate Backgrounds Gravel, Sand & Stones Live Plants Ornaments Plant Food & Fertilizers Heating & Lighting Heaters Hoods & Glass Canopies Heating & Lighting Accessories Lights Live Fish Goldfish, Betta & More Starter Kits bird Bird Shops Food & Treats Pet Bird Food Treats You got the plant to associate the fan with food. It's a family business. Me first. MONICA GAGLIANO: Yeah, tested it in my lab. The show is known for innovative sound design, smashing information int How does it know which way to turn and grow its roots so that it can find the water? That's what she says. What's its job? Yours is back of your house, but let's make it in the front. Then he would bring them the meat and he would ring a bell. To remember? Different kind of signal traveling through the soil? When you go into a forest, you see a tree, a tall tree. They're father and son. ALVIN UBELL: The glass is not broken. And so why is that? ROBERT: This is very like if you had a little helmet with a light on it. And then I needed to -- the difficulty I guess, of the experiment was to find something that will be quite irrelevant and really meant nothing to the plant to start with. What the team found is the food ends up very often with trees that are new in the forest and better at surviving global warming. They designed from scratch a towering parachute drop in blue translucent Lego pieces. Where would the -- a little plant even store a memory? They learned something. WHRO is Hampton Roads' local NPR / PBS Station. On the fifth day, they take a look and discover most of the roots, a majority of the roots were heading toward the sound of water. We dropped. So I'd seal the plant, the tree in a plastic bag, and then I would inject gas, so tagged with a -- with an isotope, which is radioactive. Again. Like, they don't have ears or a brain or anything like, they couldn't hear like we hear. ROBERT: So light is -- if you shine light on a plant you're, like, feeding it? Me first. ROBERT: She says what will happen under the ground is that the fungal tubes will stretch up toward the tree roots, and then they'll tell the tree SUZANNE SIMARD: With their chemical language. On one side, instead of the pipe with water, she attaches an MP3 player with a little speaker playing a recording of ROBERT: And then on the other side, Monica has another MP3 player with a speaker. ], [ALVIN UBELL: Maria Mata -- Maria Matasar ], [LARRY UBELL: Maria Matasar-Padilla is our Managing Director. So what do we have in our ears that we use to hear sound? So you think that that this -- you think this is a hubris corrector? And then they did experiments with the same fungus that I'm telling you about that was capturing the springtails, and they hooked it up to a tree. Like the bell for the dog. Are you, like, aggressively looking around for -- like, do you wake up in the morning saying, "Now what can I get a plant to do that reminds me of my dog, or reminds me of a bear, or reminds me of a bee?". Do you really need a brain to sense the world around you? SUZANNE SIMARD: Potassium and calcium and ROBERT: Like, can a tree stand up straight without minerals? And moved around, but always matched in the same way together. Wilderness Radio. And after not a whole lot of drops the plant, she noticed, stopped closing its leaves. And it's in that little space between them that they make the exchange. 28. Into the roots, and then into the microbial community, which includes the mushroom team, yeah. 46 7. JAD: It was curling each time when it ROBERT: Every time. ROBERT: But the drop was just shocking and sudden enough for the little plant to ROBERT: Do its reflex defense thing. On one side, instead of the pipe with water, she attaches an MP3 player with a little speaker playing a recording of And then on the other side, Monica has another MP3 player with a speaker. LARRY UBELL: Me first. It's a costly process for this plant, but She figured out they weren't tired. So that voice belongs to Aatish Bhatia, who is with Princeton University's Council on Science and Technology. On one side, instead of the pipe with water, she attaches an MP3 player with a little speaker playing a recording of And then on the other side, Monica has another MP3 player with a speaker. He says something about that's the wrong season. Or maybe slower? I don't really need it all right now. I'm sorry? More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org]. So the -- this branching pot thing. It's kind of like a cold glass sitting on your desk, and there's always a puddle at the bottom. ROBERT: So she takes the plants, she puts them into the parachute drop, she drops them. Like, I don't understand -- learning, as far as I understand it, is something that involves memory and storage. His name is Roy Halling. LARRY UBELL: That -- that would be an interesting ALVIN UBELL: Don't interrupt. ROBERT: Monica's work has actually gotten quite a bit of attention from other plant biologists. If you look at a root under a microscope, what you see is all these thousands of feelers like hairs on your head looking for water. JENNIFER FRAZER: It is! Anyone who's ever had a plant in a window knows that. ROBERT: But that scientist I mentioned MONICA GAGLIANO: My name is Monica Gagliano. Landing very comfortably onto a padded base made of foam. When we last left off, I'm just saying you just said intelligence. My name is Monica Gagliano. ROBERT: The Ubells see this happening all the time. I think there is something like a nervous system in the forest, because it's the same sort of large network of nodes sending signals to one another. ROBERT: What happened to you didn't happen to us. ALVIN UBELL: In a tangling of spaghetti-like, almost a -- and each one of those lines of spaghetti is squeezing a little bit. Also thanks to Christy Melville and to Emerald O'Brien and to Andres O'Hara and to Summer Rayne. In this story, a dog introduces us to a strange creature that burrows . You got the plant to associate the fan with food. No, I guess that I feel kind of good to say this. Eventually over a period of time, it'll crack the pipe like a nutcracker. Because what she does next is three days later, she takes these plants back into the lab. So what do we have in our ears that we use to hear sound? So I don't have a problem. What happened to you didn't happen to us. SUZANNE SIMARD: And there was a lot of skepticism at the time. She made sure that the dirt didn't get wet, because she'd actually fastened the water pipe to the outside of the pot. Like, they don't have ears or a brain or anything like, they couldn't hear like we hear. JAD: The plants have to keep pulling their leaves up and they just get tired. Radiolab - Smarty Plants . Now, can you -- can you imagine what we did wrong? Why is this network even there? So that's what the tree gives the fungus. Then we actually had to run four months of trials to make sure that, you know, that what we were seeing was not one pea doing it or two peas, but it was actually a majority. That's the place where I can remember things. ROBERT: Two very different options for our plant. So Monica moves the fans to a new place one more time. More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org.]. She's done three experiments, and I think if I tell you about what she has done, you -- even you -- will be provoked into thinking that plants can do stuff you didn't imagine, dream they could do. So there's an oak tree right there. ], [JENNIFER FRAZER: Our staff includes Simon Adler, Brenna Farrow, David Gebel. Like so -- and I think that, you know, the whole forest then, there's an intelligence there that's beyond just the species. Like, from the trees perspective, how much of their sugar are they giving to the fungus? They're all out in the forest. ROBERT: For this part of our broadcast, I'd like to begin by imagining a tall, dark, dense, green forest. ROBERT: Is your dog objecting to my analysis? And so I was really excited. And they still remembered. JENNIFER FRAZER: Apparently she built some sort of apparatus. So she's got her plants in the pot, and we're going to now wait to see what happens. Big thanks to Aatish Bhatia, to Sharon De La Cruz and to Peter Landgren at Princeton University's Council on Science and Technology. ROBERT: All right, that's it, I think. The roots of this tree of course can go any way they want to go. But after five days, she found that 80% of the time, the plants went -- or maybe chose -- to head toward the dry pipe that has water in it. They play with sound and story in a way that's incredibly intriguing, I was instantly hooked with More Perfect. So today we have a triptych of experiments about plants. Verified account Protected Tweets @ Protected Tweets @ JENNIFER FRAZER: And he would repeat this. And so we are under the impression or I would say the conviction that the brain is the center of the universe, and -- and if you have a brain and a nervous system you are good and you can do amazing stuff. Good. JENNIFER FRAZER: Into which she put these sensitive plants. SUZANNE SIMARD: And so my mom always talks about how she had to constantly be giving me worm medicine because I was -- I always had worms. Turns the fan on, turns the light on, and the plant turns and leans that way. Like, how can a plant -- how does a plant do that? She's not gonna use hot water because you don't want to cook your plants, you know? And to me, here are three more reasons that you can say, "No, really! And it begins to look a lot like an airline flight map, but even more dense. My name is Monica Gagliano. Imagine towering trees to your left and to your right. Because if I let you go it's gonna be another 20 minutes until I get to talk. So it wasn't touching the dirt at all. [laughs]. Five, four, three, two, one, drop! Hopefully I tied that into cannabis well enough to not get removed. ROBERT: And then she waited a few more days and came back. LARRY UBELL: I'm not giving my age. And if you go to too many rock concerts, you can break these hairs and that leads to permanent hearing loss, which is bad. And so now we're down there. Enough of that! ROBERT: And on this particular day, she's with the whole family. [ASHLEY: Hi. With when they actually saw and smelled and ate meat. This is Ashley Harding from St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada. They definitely don't have a brain. And it was almost like, let's see how much I have to stretch it here before you forget. Pics! And then someone has to count. And we dropped it once and twice. ROBERT: Begins with a woman. ROBERT: So the plants are now, you know, buckled in, minding their own business. But the drop was just shocking and sudden enough for the little plant to Then Monica hoists the plant back up again and drops it again. Wait a second. So they might remember even for a much longer time than 28 days. JAD: Wait. To remember? 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